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Roosters from the Han dinasty

 
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philippe
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BattlePosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:50 am    Post subject: Roosters from the Han dinasty Reply with quote

Terracota rooster statues from the Han dynasty in China (206 BC–220 AD).
Look like gamecocks?



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BattlePosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The comb type suggests that Philippe.
A very ancient artifact.
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BattlePosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shamolady wrote:
The comb type suggests that Philippe.
A very ancient artifact.


I also think they are gamecocks. Only the selection of big roosters for cockfighting could produce so tough looking birds.

Imo the contribution of China in the creation of the oriental gamecocks is underestimated. The Chinese of the Han empire were wealthy and enterprising. They already made business with Vietnam, India, Persia and even the Roman empire.
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BattlePosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you're right Philippe.
We still don't get much information from China.
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BattlePosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks more like a meat- utility breed than gamecock
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BattlePosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_like_rednailed_chicken wrote:
Looks more like a meat- utility breed than gamecock


Hi Ilrc,
Nice to read you again here!

I wonder if there were broilers in China 2,000 years ago. And if there were broilers, I wonder if they would have been proud to own a statue of broiler.

But sure there were plenty of gamecocks. A very informative book on this subject is the book written by Robert Joe Cutter, University of Wisconsin-Madison. The Brush and the Spur: Chinese Culture and the Cockfight.

He writes that in late Zhou and Han dinasty, cockfighting enthusiasts of cockfighting were to be found among the emperors, the nobility, high officials and powerful families.
https://books.google.be/books?id=LrSfaHjPIi4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+brush+and+the+spur&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjErYiK_73TAhVFsBQKHYpuCfgQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=the%20brush%20and%20the%20spur&f=false
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BattlePosted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philippe Do you have a larger photo of the white statue? that one seems more oriental.

Broilers (the fat meat chickens we eat today) are a recent development, did not exist in ancient times.
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BattlePosted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Godwin wrote:
Philippe Do you have a larger photo of the white statue? that one seems more oriental.


Hi Godwin,

This is a photo for a public auction. This statue was sold for 505 euros.
https://encheres.catawiki.eu/kavels/10461521-chinese-terracota-rooster-statue-from-the-han-dynasty-49-cm
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